Subject	Re: simple - rod bearing width, not enough of it, not much you
Posted by	Tech@EPR on March 05, 2012 at 3:54 PM
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In Reply To	simple - rod bearing width, not enough of it, not much you posted by ztunerz on March 05, 2012 at 02:36 PM
Message	I'd double check that info Harry. Nascar and all the formula cars run a honda style journal or Jaguar journal and make well over 800HP. I believe the Prostock guys are running a Honday style journal as well. Its the only way to they can reach their target RPM. The thought of requiring a wider surface area to support a boastful HP figure isn't correct. Escort Racing uses a stock crankshaft with stock rod journal dimensions. Electromotive utilized a stock Nissan journal as well. There is no room to accept a wider rod bearing on the stock VG crankshaft. If you buy wider bearings you'll have to reduce the width by using a bearing knife so that the cheeks of the crank do not come in contact with the bearing. Not to mention there just isn't enough material left if one were to machine clearance into the crank to adopt a wider bearing. Hence the requirement for side clearance. Not to mention there is a radial groove for oil exit on each side of the journal. If this is blocked you will have significant issues. Ep Racing | Create Your Badge
Follow Ups	700-800+ whp - blackomega 09:35:55 03/05/12 race gas vs pump gas (n/m) - twin3037 09:58:02 03/05/12 Re: 700-800+ whp - DbestiZ1 09:59:43 03/05/12 I already spent the 15k... - blackomega 10:04:58 03/05/12 Also looking at your profile you have already spent a good - DbestiZ1 10:12:47 03/05/12 I would not attempt such power on eagle rods - SimaYi 10:05:44 03/05/12 I remember a vague posting as well that was also disputed - blackomega 10:11:53 03/05/12 The members were disputing the unsubstantianted claims - BigTDogg (MA) 10:15:22 03/05/12 Is that what you call harry / ztuner? (n/m) - blackomega 10:17:28 03/05/12 I thought he was referring to samsungZ? (n/m) - Aqualung 10:23:58 03/05/12 maybe - blackomega 10:27:26 03/05/12 The way I see it... - Aqualung 16:06:22 03/05/12 IIRC, Harry was agreeing with Don in saying that Eagle rods - BigTDogg (MA) 10:36:16 03/05/12 Harry speaks a couple posts down from your link... - blackomega 11:16:08 03/05/12 Not breaking the bank <--------------------> 800RWHP (n/m) - BigTDogg (MA) 12:31:32 03/05/12 i know... - blackomega 12:36:05 03/05/12 i don't think there is, Matt, even the pauters are expensive (n/m) - vulcanrush 12:37:41 03/05/12 There is not. Go with Carillo Super A-Beam or Crower. - MixManMash 12:56:41 03/05/12 IPP has a good price on Carillo Super As (n/m) - blackomega 11:27:19 03/06/12 Did anyone happen to post pics of those streched rods? - John@Z1 14:29:35 03/05/12 BIG 2nd. (n/m) - samsungZ [Houston] 15:34:08 03/05/12 Pay me and i will show you. (n/m) - ztunerz 22:04:37 03/05/12 How about you show me 10 thousands of an inch diff - ztunerz 22:03:14 03/05/12 LOL, love the last sentence. (n/m) - John@Z1 11:22:22 03/06/12 All claims were based on EAGLE'S own claims from their staff - samsungZ [Houston] 14:56:45 03/05/12 Combustion is a compressive load on the rod - aliaZ 17:54:45 03/05/12 Agreed, and the same applies for all rods - samsungZ [Houston] 19:42:41 03/05/12 No kidding (n/m) - ztunerz 22:08:11 03/05/12 Re: I remember a vague posting as well that was also disputed - SimaYi 10:15:43 03/05/12 anyone using the SARD 850cc side feed injectors? - blackomega 12:34:41 03/05/12 imo, if not nismo740cc's, i'd use bde's fuel system - vulcanrush 12:39:19 03/05/12 1,000 HP? That is a top-feed-specific order - CoHPhasor 12:59:02 03/05/12 right, bde top-feed (n/m) - vulcanrush 13:07:20 03/05/12 my goals are <900whp over the next few years - blackomega 13:10:02 03/05/12 no more than 775 (n/m) - ztunerz 14:38:37 03/05/12 whp? (n/m) - blackomega 15:39:06 03/05/12 If that, i was running about 90 % IDC at around 700 whp - ztunerz 22:06:44 03/05/12 no way around it... - blackomega 08:46:26 03/06/12 simple - rod bearing width, not enough of it, not much you - ztunerz 14:36:38 03/05/12 Re: simple - rod bearing width, not enough of it, not much you - Tech@EPR 15:54:48 03/05/12 Nascar uses the H22 Honda bearing, which is wider - aliaZ 18:38:12 03/05/12 Re: Nascar uses the H22 Honda bearing, which is wider - Tech@EPR 20:38:21 03/05/12 real race cars also run dry sumps whereas most street cars - aliaZ 23:06:23 03/05/12 Re: real race cars also run dry sumps whereas most street cars - Tech@EPR 00:13:46 03/06/12 who has done this before? - Antihero 23:43:00 03/05/12 Done what before? The H22 bearing in a Z? - aliaZ 05:27:31 03/06/12 thanks for the education - vulcanrush 10:25:42 03/06/12 there really isn't a viable alternative. - aliaZ 21:29:00 03/06/12 no wider bearings of any sort in a vg30 - Antihero 10:38:42 03/06/12 the only bearing I'm aware of is the L28 bearing - aliaZ 11:42:00 03/06/12 ever know anyone do suffer crank failure after? - Antihero 13:15:54 03/06/12 The crank isn't bullet proof - aliaZ 19:49:50 03/06/12 Expect more from you Mitch >>> - ztunerz 21:54:41 03/05/12 Re: Expect more from you Mitch >>> - Tech@EPR 02:58:56 03/06/12 It would be amusing to see your customers face when - ztunerz 08:30:56 03/06/12 Harry why are you murdering in the morning (n/m) - ZiNnYc 09:05:11 03/06/12 just grouchy - the internet seems to do that to me - ztunerz 15:08:02 03/06/12 Re: It would be amusing to see your customers face when - Tech@EPR 12:52:08 03/06/12 nevermind Mitch, its a waste of time - you are correct (n/m) - ztunerz 15:02:40 03/06/12 What kind of pie?? (n/m) - SactoTodd 18:07:49 03/06/12 hair pie? (n/m) - aliaZ 19:25:01 03/06/12 I guess I'll see 700-800+ whp - nmgoodthing 14:53:43 03/05/12 +1 on the corn juice.. I run it full time now... - samsungZ [Houston] 14:59:16 03/05/12 If you want 700+ HP with E85 you need more than 1000cc - CoHPhasor 16:25:46 03/05/12 Re: If you want 700+ HP with E85 you need more than 1000cc - nmgoodthing 16:55:00 03/05/12 Sorry, didn't realize the 1600's were discontinued. - CoHPhasor 18:30:34 03/05/12 700+ HP on E85 you need more than 1000cc at 43.5psi - induetime 21:53:13 03/05/12 I certainly don't run in that hp range but I'd assume.... - arrowenterprises 15:23:57 03/05/12 I'm well aware. - blackomega 15:40:49 03/05/12 Re: I'm well aware. - MikeC(NZ) 04:18:46 03/07/12 Really I am not after a 1000 hp street car or race car - blackomega 08:27:20 03/07/12
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